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Many of you are asking me online and in line at my book tour stops what's next for Huck PAC. Sarah and the team have been working hard on the next phase of development and I wanted to tell you about some of it today.
First, during Saxby Chambliss' runoff campaign we saw that Huck PAC supporters were able to make a real difference on the ground. With over 4,000 calls made in a period of days by a few hundred volunteers we made a real difference turning out the vote for Senator Chambliss. Moving forward we want to build on this effort and grow it nationally.
In the coming days we will form a National Volunteer Team for Huck PAC Our goal is to identify volunteers nationwide, organize into local groups and then assist Huck PAC endorsed candidates.
We will also begin asking for volunteers to serve as group leaders willing to take a leadership role in their community. These leaders will setup events, distribute literature, make calls, knock on doors and much more. Our goal is to have at least one Huck PAC group leader in every county in the nation by the end of 2009.
This is one part of our plans but is a very important part. We want to make a difference locally in the races of the candidates we are supporting (as we did with Saxby) and we believe having a volunteer team in place will make a big difference. I will blog about much more very soon.
Moving the cause forward into the New Year!
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Ben Dribus
12/20/2008 11:14 PM
Deborah: I always feel inadequate remarking about other people's personal situations, but it seems to me that you have done a great deal of good in the world (particularly for Huck PAC) considering some of the trials you have been through.
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Jack_Somers81
12/20/2008 05:44 PM
"Deborah in Dayton, OH
12/19/2008 04:45 PMI love Hucks Army, but I have to click 5 times before a blog actually comes up."
Deborah, if you click on "view active topics" at the top of forum.hucksarmy.com, the latest posts come up. I then bookmark that link to use.
I think it's great that people use HuckPAC to comment and talk with each other. It seems hard to bring up random topics and respond to people on here though. A forum can be a great avenue for that. I've found the moderators at the HucksArmy forum to be very open and generous as is the moderator here.
For Huck!
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Judge Deborah
12/20/2008 03:22 PM
I'm not sure we're going to be pass our Christian heritage down to our children as long as Christian couples are divorcing like the world.
The minute a Christian divorce happens, parents lose the moral authority they had to mold and shape their precious toddlers.
Sure, God will still be with us and the extended family can help, but divorce throws families into a spiral of debt and depression and poverty and despair that would be completely unnecessary otherwise.
My own children don't understand why I am telling them that my daughter just got married in a Contract Marriage, not a Covenant Marriage last Sat.
The 47 year old man she married was in the middle of a messy divorce the entire 17 months they were dating, and the contested divorce lasted so long that they had to postpone the wedding and didn't even invite me.
So the violent Father who divorced Joanna's Mother was at my daughter's wedding, but the Survivor of Domestic Violence who lived to birth Joanna outside the emergency room in the parking lot feet first with the umbilical cord wrapped around her neck who is now diabetic, Joanna's Mother, was not even invited to the hurried small wedding.
My daughter Joanna is alive because her Father had the presence of mind to drive us to the hospital after he almost killed my daughter and I, yet he was invited to the wedding and I was not because he got custody and made me pay child support after I had been homeschooling for 5 years all because an inexperienced counselor separated 5 or 6 homeschool families before the church caught on and ran her out of the church.
Please say a prayer for my daughter, Joanna, that God will keep her safe in case this ex-wife and her children cause interference during child visitations.
I never thought I'd live to see the day of such a mess, as my 2 boys are dating the sweetest girls who are the same ages as they are.
My kids don't believe that I have the authority as Mom to pray and intercede and ask God to nullify this pretend marriage and bring my daughter out safely so she can find and marry a man her own age who has never been married and has never had children.
My heart is heavy this Christmas, but I know Jesus is with us and that he will protect my Joanna Mary.
Here's a precious video of the First Christmas that someone shared with me in an email.
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Goff, Steve
12/20/2008 02:35 PM
Dr. David
I would have never taken you for a viking. Now everytime you post I will picture you as a strapping and intimidating man, with long red hair and a big bushy beard.
I myself am more of a caucozoid gumbo, consisting of German, Irish, and Jewish elements, but I like to imagine that I am a viking sometimes. Judging from my pale and pasty complexion, it would probably be safe to say that their is a little of the Scandinavian influence somewhere in me. (I guess the fact that I can't grow a beard points to my German ancestry--It took my 29 years to grow a semi-goatee, and I shaved it off last week.)
I think this country needs a trickle down theory in regard to morality--in essence, we need a leader that will serve as an example to all, and who's character will trickle down to the rest of society. I think one of the reasons that Mike Huckabee is a threat to the establishment (besides his populism) is the simple fact that he represents morality. Most of the conservative base represent moral stances, but I believe that for the most part, this is just to win the votes of their constituencies, which is a mass base of supporters who demand certain moral standards from their leaders. But I am afraid that when it comes to their politics, they would prefer not have someone with Christian principles "gumming up the works."I agree with you and others, this is moral problem in regard to the unions, CEO's, and the government. Since money corrupts, it is no surprise to see the leaders of the financial institutions and unions taking advantage of unsound practices in order to turn a profit. What is a surprise is to see the government encouraging it. If they (the government) would have applied Christian standards in regard to financial and fiduciary responsibility than we wouldn't have this problem today. So the answer is an application of moral responsibility, (which comes from Christian priniples) in regard to how our government deals with these institutions.
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Doug
12/20/2008 02:01 PM
As I've said before, one of the greatest things about being an American is the we can actually agree to disagree. The problem we are facing is that there are core groups of people seeking to take that away from us. They don't realize that they are seeking to trample the very freedom that THEY have.
If an atheist or agnostic hears something on the radio that they don't like, they can change channel. The same for television. But they want to take away our freedom to celebrate Christmas with programs and songs on the TV and Radio but they are appaulled at our efforts to restrict pornography and violent on the air wave and internet. They believe people have civil rights....uh mmm...except for Christians.
We can stand up for our rights but we can do that in a civil manner. We want to and need to protest their efforts but not by using their tactics.
I hate sounding like a broken record but the best place to start is in our churches. -
Doug
12/20/2008 01:46 PM
Below is a link to an excellent article for those who has a hard time grasping God from a scientify point of view.
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Judge Deborah
12/20/2008 01:28 PM
The Interview With God
Someone on TeamSarah shared this and she has it as her screensaver.
Turn on your speakers to listen. This is truly beautiful.
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Judge Deborah
12/20/2008 08:39 AM
Wow! Gov. Huckabee hit a home run again!
Turning the other cheek’ not suggested in Washington case, Huckabee says
By JONI B. HANNIGAN
Managing Editor
Published December 18, 2008http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/9733.article
GAINESVILLE (FBW)-Christians need to be “very firm” but not angry in addressing issues like the recent flap in Washington State where atheists have placed a sign in the rotunda of the state capitol denigrating religion, Mike Huckabee told Florida Baptist Witness in an interview Dec. 9.
“It’s not a matter of turning the other cheek,” Huckabee said. “Atheists resent that there’s a holiday that Christians can celebrate.”
In a private interview covering a wide range of questions before delivering the Sunday night sermon Dec. 9 at Westside Baptist Church in Gainesville, Huckabee suggested atheists who criticize the celebration of Christmas work on Dec. 25 and choose another day for their holiday—perhaps April 1, he smiled.
“We shouldn’t be angry, but we should be also very firm in saying that we are a nation that not only allows, but actually encourages people of faith to express themselves,” Huckabee said. Citing foot baths provided for Muslims at the University of Michigan, he said accommodation are made for people of “every faith except Christians.”
“It’s perfectly legitimate in our culture today to engage in outright persecution against Christians with seemingly no social penalty for doing it, whether it’s tearing a cross out of a lady’s hand in California who happened to support Proposition 8 or the denigration of Christian values by not allowing even the traditional Christmas carols to be sung at a school,” Huckabee said. “Regardless of whether someone adheres to faith, one cannot escape the cultural implications of those hymns and the Christmas holiday on the American way of life. … [W]e shouldn’t have special rules for everybody but Christians and then those rules are pushed and we become the persecuted.”
Huckabee, 53, the former governor of Arkansas and a past president of the Arkansas State Baptist Convention, was in Florida on tour promoting his new book, Do the Right Thing: Inside the Movement That’s Bringing Common Sense Back to America. He lost the 2008 Republican presidential nomination after emerging as the dark horse of the campaign when he swept Iowa in the caucuses and won seven more states in the primaries.
The star of his own Fox News Show, titled, “Huckabee,” the bright-eyed former pastor and graduate of Ouachita Baptist University in Arkadelpia, Ark., who attended Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, told the Witness he was uncertain at this point whether he will run for president again in 2012 as has been widely speculated—but he will “be a voice for life, for marriage [and] for the fair tax” he believes will “transform” America’s national economy.
By 2010, Huckabee anticipates making a decision about the election.
“A lot of it has to do with what the political landscape looks like; what I am doing at that point,” Huckabee said, pointing to “standard, classic, conservative principles” as his focus. Of the Republican party, he said they don’t “need so much to be in search of the personalities who will lead it, but they need to be coalescing around the principles that had better bind us.”
Huckabee earlier in the interview said Barack Obama won the presidency, in part, because some conservative voters swayed.
“The large, simple answer is that Republicans did not close the deal and make a case because they had not lived up to the advertising of balancing budgets, standing against corruption, being champions for the family and for life as they have been in the past,” Huckabee said. “Obama was able to convince people that he was a centrist.”
Citing his views on abortion and same-sex marriage, Huckabee said Obama’s views pose a serious threat to biblical morality.
Noting even liberal Democrats don’t go as far as Obama in supporting partial-birth abortion, which Huckabee called “the most radical form of abortion,” he said “It really is infanticide and I’m very troubled by that seeming, just total almost misdirection in his [Obama’s] life, that he thinks that it’s OK for that decision to be made right up until the moment of birth.”
Huckabee said the president-elect has a “seeming indifference to when life begins.”
And though Obama said he opposes same-sex marriage, he supports civil unions which Huckabee says are a “prelude” to same-sex marriage.
The sanctity of human life is an important issue because it is the barometer of the culture, he said.
“I think it’s a fundamental underlying issue of our civilization, because it really is a reflection of how we will treat each other,” Huckabee said. “That’s how we’re judged in history. If we have a cavalier attitude toward any human life for whatever reason then once we have crossed that Rubicon it’s easy for us to say, well, if we can take the life of the unborn—because it’s an economic interruption or a social interference, then when a person becomes elderly and becomes an economic interference or a social disruption—are we not making the same decision to terminate that life.
“All life has intrinsic worth and value and the moment we start devaluing any life and believe that my selfish motives, whatever they are, are of greater consequence than the life of the other person, whatever those consequences—we’ve already made a huge mistake from which we can’t recover,” Huckabee continued.
Of candidates who shared his views, Huckabee said he believes Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican candidate for vice-president, is “a wonderful person.”
“I’m happy that she’s a professing Christian. She’s pro-traditional marriage. She’s got a wonderful personality and I think a very important and bright future in the Republican party,” Huckabee predicted. “Whether she wants to run for president and be part of the national process, I don’t know and she may not know at this point. But I think she certainly energized a lot of people in what I call the base of the party and was a very positive force.”
Huckabee said many people told him they would have voted for him but sincerely believed he could not win—and so therefore voted for another candidate instead. He told the Witness though there should be no obligation on the part of Christians to vote for him, it is “illogical” for them to try to outmaneuver the situation and could cause them to be “permanently marginalized” for a long while.
“Christians should never involve themselves in politics based on the process. It ought to be the principles,” Huckabee said. “And what this last election revealed was that there were many people who had fallen into the trap of worshipping at the altar of process instead of adhering to the idea of godly principles.”
In a direct statement, Huckabee challenged Baptists to step up to the plate in defending a biblical worldview.
“What I hope is that Southern Baptists in particular and evangelicals in general will recognize that if they are not the voice for life and traditional marriage, then don’t expect the secularists to take up the cause,” Huckabee said. “If we don’t adhere to what we believe to be our biblical and eternal principles, then we have no reason to complain when we lose those principles in the public marketplace.
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Doug
12/19/2008 07:57 PM
There has been discussions about legalism. I used to belong to a church that was legalistic. Though I'm no longer a part of that church I still mantain those same convictions and standards.
I prefer that women wear dresses. Ladies need to act, walk and talk like ladies and men need to act, walk and talk like men. Those are my convictions but I'm not going to say that it will keep you out of heaven. The same with long hair on men. God's Word says 1Co:11:14-15: Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
I do not believe a christian should smoke but I don't believe that will keep you out of heaven. In fact it may get you there sooner than you plan.
I believe that there are principals in God's Word that we should live by but those do not determine where we spend eternity. What determine that is that we realize that we are sinners deserving of Hell, that Christ died for us, we believe the He is the Son of God and we accept His sacrific, turn from our sin and
accept His gift of eternal life. If that action is sincere, we can never lose that. We may stumble and fall but we can come back to God and ask forgiveness.
On the subject of preachers, yes it would be boring and incomplete is one preach on Hell and Salvation only. You have to have a mix of instructions and guidance for Christian living. You can have too much of the one or the other. That why I say we need the WHOLE counsel of God's Word. -
Doug
12/19/2008 07:43 PM
I kind of agree with Jack Somers on the fact we may be straying away from the purpose of this website. We DO need a forum to freely discuss the religious freedom that we have (and could lose if we don't guard it).
One thing we should really be working at is building a momentum for 2012.
There are petty issues and doctrinal differences between us but we all have the same core Christian values. If we rally around those values and the man that represents those same values we can build the base for a Mike Huckabee for 2012. -
mxnwilson
12/19/2008 05:50 PM
Jack Somers - Yes we are sticking to the subject as this is always "what Is Next For HuckPac". lol
Isn't Gov. Huckabee a great sport to allow us to discuss all these things on his site? We actully started out discussing the next plans for HuckPac, and have been off topic since last Sunday.
Now I see someone has even brought George Bush into the mix. So I suppose we can just blame everything on him as that is what most have been doing for the last 8 years.
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Judge Deborah
12/19/2008 04:45 PM
Somers, Jack
12/19/2008 02:38 PMI love Hucks Army, but I have to click 5 times before a blog actually comes up.
It's so hard to get a discussion going, where right here Gov. Huckabee has encouraged open discussions and encouraged free speech!
We don't have moderators telling us what we can post and what we can't. The discussions are mostly civil, and we respond to whatever shout outs we get from everyone about whatever topic they wish to discuss.
I personally don't have time to go to lots of different blogs every day, so I'll go to GretaWire.com once a week or so and to TeamSarah.org occasionally.
I just love the encouraging ideas and brainstorming right here on HuckPAC and the ease of blogging that is so inspirational!
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Judge Deborah
12/19/2008 04:41 PM
Dodds, Ann
12/19/2008 11:16 AMI used to be a member of World Harvest Church in Columbus, Ohio. I can assure you that no matter what gets preached on Sunday, there will be small group meetings and Bible Studies where the Bible is studied much more in depth.
That's why even though we seemed like a huge church (over 5,000 regular attenders) we knew lots of people and felt a part of the church community.
I'm sure Lakewood Church is the same way. For regular attenders, they get in depth Bible study that you just can't get on a Sunday morning service.
Having said that, I would personally be very bored if the salvation message was preached every Sunday to the exclusion of other Bible stories such as the story of Deborah and Barak, or Jonathan and David or Joshua and the Battle of Jericho.
The deliverance and healing messages are part of the message of salvation. I know I'm not going to convince you or anyone on a blog, but I personally love the Osteen ministry.
Yes, it's different than Marilyn and Sarah Hickey's teaching ministry on TBN. When I want to hear in depth teaching, I can flip to that channel.
Kenneth Copeland and Creflo Dollar's ministries are very in depth teaching of the whole full gospel.
I've actually heard Pastor Rod Parsley preach his Jesus in every book in the Bible message several times and it is outstanding!
But the praise and worship at Lakewood Church is so uplifting and motivating and the presence of the Holy Spirit is there.
As others have said, we shouldn't follow one man anyway. We should get our teaching from several different ministers so that we get the whole counsel of God.
I would personally be going to church 3 or 4 times a week if I had transportation, but since I don't right this minute, I am taking advantage of the TV airwaves.
I can hardly wait to see HUCKABEE tomorrow night and hear the story of the woman who donated her wedding ring to the Huckabee campaign. She sure motivated everyone to back our godly minister who is a family man!
I say, Go, Pastor Osteen, Go!
Go, Pastor Hickey, Go!
Go, Pastor Parsley, Go!
Go, Pastor Hagee, Go!
Go, Pastor Jentzen, Go!I'm praying for you all to overcome the spiritual enemy and bring souls into the Kingdom!
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Judge Deborah
12/19/2008 04:03 PM
More FairTax Discussion: up to $106,800 income there will be almost 17% FICA tax including SSI and Medicare.
Farmers or truckdrivers or mill operators or lumber suppliers won’t be collecting federal sales taxes.
I suppose if you run a farmer’s market, you would have to collect the tax of 23%, but you would subtract 17% for FICA and Medicare right off the bat.
I’m not sure how a small business owner would compete with large corporations anyway, because large corporations could be invested in Wall Street, not only making investment income from their own investments, but receiving income from their corporate stock purchased by the general public.
The other thing that might not go over well unless food prices actually do fall 23% is taxing groceries with the FairTax. Currently Food is NOT charged Ohio Sales Tax, so if there were a 23% Federal tax on top without the drop of 23% in prices, that would not go over well. In the grocery store is where even a $10 increase in the weekly grocery bill would be noticed right away.
Yet FairTax experts seem to think that grocery prices would drop 20 to 25%.
My sister is married to a farmer, and she works all day at the office, goes out to help her husband work in the field sometimes, cooks supper, and does housework, and still has to do the bookkeeping for the farm which takes hours and hours. I don’t think she’ll miss all that paperwork!
Wouldn’t you have more time to operate your small business if you didn’t have any paperwork to do?
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Jack_Somers81
12/19/2008 02:38 PM
You guys need to move to forum.hucksarmy.com We talk about all kinds of things there...this discussion has gotten way off topic from the original blog post..... Its just a suggestion.....
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Mathuews, Lola
12/19/2008 02:04 PM
Deborah from Dayton, Ohio,
I was reading what you said about how we should dress. I wanted to share something it brought to mind. When I was a little girl about 7 or 8 yrs. old my Greatgrandmother was watching me play in the yard. I was wearing a short set. When I looked up at her she said, "When I was a little girl our skirts had to come to our ankles. It was a sin to show more then our ankles. And I'm sure when her Grandmother was a little girl she probably couldn't show even her ankle. Ha! Ha! We should dress decently, though.Also Bill Orielly had two women that work for Fox discussing that picture of the woman wearing the tie only. Bill didn't think she should have posed for that. The women thought it was OK. My opinion is it was not OK. And I would never had seen it if it hadn't been for Fox showing it. They also have a pajamas commercial that says something about buying their pajamas for your girl friend or wife was a way of getting her to undress. I have a problem including the girl friend. We are being force fed this stuff and I don't like it. They are hardening our children's hearts by doing this. By Fox giving them free air time discussing it they are promoting it. I feel the same about Victoria Secret commercials. If they really want to help then don't have those commercials on.
About the different ministries I notice for example Orielly's show, people email him and accuse him saying one thing and an other emails upset accusing him of saying just the opposite. Just for the record I'm not saying he has a ministry. Ha! Ha! Both people listening to the same thing yet hearing something totally different. One thinking him being for it another one thinking him to be against it. I'm not saying there isn't false prophets but some times they just don't hear. I've been there and done that, and I know it can happen, until the Lord opened my hearing. Most of the ministries you mentioned I have listen to and find no problem with. The bible speaks of the righteous men and women of God listening to the Apostles and going home and searching the scriptures to see if what they said was true and then going back and receiving the Holy Ghost. If the bible says it I believe it.
Merry Christmas!
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Doug
12/19/2008 02:00 PM
How do I change my nome on this thing. My name IS Thomas Douglas Roper but I'm usually called Doug.
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Dr. David
12/19/2008 01:20 PM
Steve Goff: You post a lot of good thoughts here that don't always get the feedback they deserve. So in response to your question of what should we do about the current economic crisis, I will share one of my favorite stories. I hope it will produce a chuckle in these trying times.
My Norwegian ancestors were Vikings who wreaked havoc in Britain and coastal Europe for about 200 years between 800 and 1000AD. Then, Christian missionaries entered the country, and found their leader, a man named Olaf. They persuaded him that Jesus is Lord, that we are our brother's keepers, and that we should love our enemies. He decided that his kingdom should convert to Christianity. So he issued an edict: "Everyone has 24 hours to turn Christian or be put to the sword!"
The older members of my extended family love this story, because we remember how strict the patriarchs in our family were. Sometimes it seems that America needs another King Olaf. That would stop the problems fast.
Perhaps Mike Huckabee is the closest thing we have to another King Olaf I, with the sword of his oratorical powers, rather than the one with the steel blade.
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XRGR
12/19/2008 01:13 PM
To Roper, thomas
12/16/2008 05:42 PMLet me tell you how I went from my no opinions about Bush (our whole office was dancing up and down 4.5 years ago when he was elected -- we were all happy!!!) to shaking my heads non-nonstoppingly ever since. For a period of time, I started sensing something wrong with that guy. He had once danced like an idiot, almost topping over, in front of the medias in fact the whole world for the whole week right after he had stupidly stated U.S. econonmy is still fundamentally strong. Then, there were 2 weekends (4 months ago) I started watching a 4-hr documentary on Bush's Wars on a public channel. I believe all those people being interviewed in that 4-hr documentary are perfectly insiders. It is a very just documentary -- it even gives a lot of credit to John McCain and Condi Rice, but no credit to that idiot.
Everybody here has the right to think what they want to think. But as for me, I find it hard to respect somebody who has proved to the people who had endeavourly trusted them supported them
1. principle-less
2. not honest
3. not fair
4. inconsiderate, irresponsible
5. rending bad judgment often enoughAnd, after all, I like FairTax -- it worked in the country I originated from. In respecting to the facts, I want it to work over here, too!
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Janice
12/19/2008 12:45 PM
have any of the other 3 top callers gotten calls from Gov Huckabee? I am wondering as it is getting close to Christmas, so at this point I am thinking he might wait until after the season...gave his staff my cell # and keep it with me all the time...
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Doug
12/19/2008 11:46 AM
Deb,
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Vote for Truth
12/19/2008 11:16 AM
Deborah,
As I stated before, just because Joel Osteen mentions Jesus at the end of his broadcast, doesn't explain who Jesus is to all these people. From Joel's sermons, how would these people know what it means to ask Jesus into their hearts? A pastor must have Jesus Christ as the topic of his sermon everytime he preaches for him to be classified as a Christian preacher!!!I have not heard all of the preachers you mention, but as I said before, we must listen to any of them with an ear to what they are preaching. If it's not in the Bible, I don't care how popular they are, God would not want us to be fooled by them. I know Charles Stanley is an excellent preacher and always preaches what is in the Bible. I don't have to ask Mike Huckabee what he thinks about Joel Osteen, it is God who is my teacher, and God's Word, not a politician. If we don't use God as our guideline in His Word, we can all be fooled by anyone.
Deborah, you talk about legalism, yet you mention all the things that should be not allowed by people....isn't that legalism? I don't remember reading specific things in Scripture about earrings, etc. These re fads and every generation has had things like this when they were growing up. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the things you mentioned either, but I don't want to condemn everyone who does them. I am responsible for my actions, and only to God. Preachers, on the other hand, are responsible to God for what they teach. People are so gullible, they think if they hear a preacher on TV, he's preaching God's Word. Maybe because they don't read the Bible, they are fooled. That's why preachers like Joel are so dangerous, people will follow and not hear the real message of Jesus Christ, which is what preachers are supposed to teach. It isn't about feeling good about ourselves or how to be successful in life. Following Jesus is the way and the only way to trully be successful.
Being a kind, friendly, hospitable person is good, but it's not about us or what we do, it's about Jesus Christ. Being good won't get us to heaven, it's ONLY through the shed blood of Jesus, will we get to heaven. The people who listen to Joel are not being led to heaven, they are being taught how to have a good life on earth. I wouldn't want to be in Joel's shoes when he meets our Savior at judment to answer for all that he didn't teach to those thousands of people and how many he could have brought to Jesus, but talking about Jesus might offend some people, so he chose to follow the world instead of Our Lord, and for what, money...the power of greed in this world.
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Judge Deborah
12/19/2008 10:28 AM
Roper, thomas
12/19/2008 09:03 AMThomas, your are exactly correct. If we lived in Iran, we'd better not try to become homosexual or we would have our heads chopped off!
BTW, what did I say that you could possibly disagree with? LOL!
Did you think it was OK for my daughter Joanna (27) to marry a man who is 47 years old when her Uncle Dale (my brother) is 45 and I am 52?
The fact that she was dating him for a year while he was married and had to reschedule the wedding because the divorce took a couple weeks too long cracked me up.
Nope. She didn't invite me to the pretend wedding. May be legal, but he's calling his ex-wife a witch, and I'm just waiting for him to call Joanna that and get kicked out of the house.
It's really sad how confused children get when their parents divorce. It should be illegal for parents to divorce when they have children together without going through 2 years of marital counseling!
Thank God for marriage ministries like Focus on the Family and MarriageSavers. We'd be totally lost without them.
http://www.focusonthefamily.com/
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Doug
12/19/2008 10:03 AM
To followup on what Deborah says, there is nothing wrong with second guessing your pastor. Take notes and reseach by getting into the Word youself, verifying what you heard him say. If what he says conflict what God's Word says, question him about it.
Paul writes to Timothy: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. This instruction is also for the layperson not just pastors.
If Obama did not agree wht Rev. Wright, then she should have confronted him about it instead of sitting and letting his family listen to all of it. -
Doug
12/19/2008 09:03 AM
Deborah,
Aren't you glad you live in America? At least for now if you or I disagree on doctrinal issues, we have no fear of retailiation. In many countries, you'd be put to death if you disagree with the mainline group.
Though we might disagree on certain points, I can still love you as a sister. You have a right to be wrong....LOL...just joking!
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Judge Deborah
12/19/2008 06:02 AM
To go along with my earlier post about holiness among Christians, if Christians would quit acting like the world, and would follow Gov. Huckabee's example and re-state their wedding vows with Covenant Marriage, our kids will stay with their Fathers and Mothers and stop marrying people who are 20 years older than them!
Forgive me for complaining, but contrary to Barack Obama's complete misunderstanding of the Bible, just because slavery, and polygamy are in the Old Testament, doesn't make them the Christian thing to do.
When parents divorce (except for infidelity, adultery, or domestic violence, or addiction habits like drugs or alcohol abuse) this unties the moorings and removes the anchor from the family ship and leaves kids confused.
No, it is NOT O.K. for a 47-year-old man to date a 27-year-old Christian gal for a year while he is still married, and then get a contested divorce and pay child support just to marry her. Especially, when he is OLDER that his fiance's UNCLE. And then to get married 2 weeks after the divorce is final is just a degenerate thing to do.
Did you realize that in 4 out of 5 marriages, one of the marriage partners wants to stay married?
http://www.itsamarriagething.com/
San Antonio, TX Christian Radio Talk Show Host, Adam McManus's parents have a ministry called Marriage Savers. It has a high success rate!
http://www.marriagesavers.org/sitems/index.htm
Check out their new book, "How to Cut the Divorce Rate in Half - A Strategy Every State Should Adopt," (with the foreword by Gov. Mike Huckabee!).
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Judge Deborah
12/19/2008 05:29 AM
At the risk of sounding hopelessly out of touch or out of date, here is what I think the Judge Deborah of the Bible would have said about many of today's pastors.
99.99% of them aren't teaching about moral purity in the family like they used to. Pastors used to teach or at least counsel in small groups that:
A) Men are responsible to support their wives financially for life, and even if they decide to separate temporarily, they are still responsible to provide a second home, car, and groceries for their wife and children for life.
B) People are to dress in a holy and discreet manner, including women wearing skirts at least knee length or middle of the calf length with no belly button showing and men keeping their hair cut just below their ears and wearing belts to keep their jeans up.
C) Sexual relations are to be saved until marriage, Christians are to only marry Christians committed to following the precepts of the Bible, and then holiness should still prevail. That means that pornographic sex such as sodomy is not allowed, even for Christians.
For those who don't yet understand this: Dictionary.com defines sodomy as oral or anal sex between two people of the OPPOSITE SEX.
When the mouth is kept above the belly button, you don't get cold sores on your mouth. Please DON'T twist the scripture about everything being kosher because of the "marriage bed being undefiled."
D) Christians should not follow the ways of the world. That means no earrings for men, only one earring in each ear for women, no nose rings or body piercings, no belly button or tongue rings, no tattoos (yes that is in the Bible), no black fingernail polish, and no purple or green hair.
Thank God Gov. Huckabee had the common sense to keep the photo of Jennifer Anniston wearing only a tie off his show.
BTW, I finally figured out why HANNITY will be the only host on his show in 2009. Because he's following HUCKABEE and BECK's example!
I'm glad Glenn Beck finally left the Clinton News Network to come join the more conservative FOXNEWS team.
Welcome aboard, Mr. Beck! Your conservative views will be welcome here. Mr. Beck and Gov. Huckabee are both very good interviewers. They both let people talk!
I especially enjoy listening to Glenn Beck interview people, because he often brings them on for 15 minutes or more and actually gives them a chance to finish their sentences and is as respectful of his guests as Larry King is!
Thank you, Gov. Huckabee, for challenging our perspective. We need your straight talk now, more than ever!
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Judge Deborah
12/19/2008 12:02 AM
I just listened to one of Joel & Victoria's messages on the Lakewood Church website.
Victoria had on the loveliest cross necklace!Joel preached the most wonderful message of overcoming faith and victory in the Lord and prayed with people to receive Jesus as Savior.
I'm not sure why some people have a hard time receiving charismatic spirit filled teaching, but that was the dove and holy spirit symbol on the podium and the same circling globe that Joel's Father John had on his podium all those years.
Jesus doesn't call us to follow the letter of the law but the holy spirit. Joel has learned the art of speaking the blessing on people and that is why people are drawn to his message.
I know that nothing I can say will convince those who are used to more legalistic preaching, but it doesn't really matter. We can be blessed by all different kinds of teaching, and when its on TV, we can turn the channel if we are not in the mood for a certain kind of teaching.
But thank God that the shut-ins have TBN, and other Christian stations. I know for a fact that it gives people great hope.
God bless you Thomas. May God fill you to overflowing with his love and meet your every need.
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Doug
12/18/2008 08:10 PM
I want to make some final statements concerning ministers and pastors. We know that those that have taken on the task of "preaching the Gospel" are called of God, or supposedly so. Whether they are God called or not, they will have ultimately have to answer to God how they conducted themselves with the Gospel and how they lead their flock. God will hold every man or woman who claims to be pastors accountable for the sould of those he or she leads.
I studied to be a preacher until I realize the awsomeness of that responsibility. Then I realized that I was not called to take on that responsibility. I also realize that I can still minister the Word of God as a working lay person. -
Doug
12/18/2008 07:51 PM
If it wasn't for Fannie Mae, I would not have gotten my third home which I could not afford which in turn I had to sell before I filed bankruptcy before it would go into foreclosure.
I was greedy. If I had stayed in my second home which my dad, brothers and I built with our own hands, I would have a nice house that would have been paid for by now.
Fannie Mae made it easy for me to finance a home I had not business financing.
Now I'm living in a 1977 mobile home which is literally falling apart but at least I'll OWN it in July of 2009.
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Doug
12/18/2008 07:45 PM
Thanks Deborah. I put the link in my favorite folder.
I'm not going to debate who are good ministers or who are bad ones. I like Hagee though I don't always agree with him. The same with Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson and others. I know very little about the Osteens. I do very little reoading of some of these people's books. I'm struggling through Mikes book because I have a lot of retention problem. Most of my reading is from God's Word in the King James. I'm able to read and understand most of what I read because of the Holy Spirit's help. Sometimes I read segments which I don't understand but then the Holy Spirit shows me that it means later.
Paul writes in Roman10:13-16: "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?"
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Goff, Steve
12/18/2008 07:00 PM
I know my good friend Donna Lee is going to kill me for this, but please excuse the numerous typos in my last posts.
Also, I don't believe it is correct to say that the government forced the financial institutions to give loans to those who couldn't afford them. They lowered the standards for the institutions and encouraged them to give loans to minority/poorer groups that traditionally couldn't afford them, and it appears the heads of the instiutions were more than happy to oblige. It has to make one seriously wonder if the government (ie, Frank, Dodd, and pals) didn't give the institutions some kind of assurance of their investment if the high risk applicants defaulted on the loans (ie, our tax dollars.) Notice they are a lot more reserved in regard to handing the auto-makers the cash as opposed to the financial industry. This would seem to be the only explanation for the irresponsibility within the financial industry with the exception of the "golden parachute scenario" which encourages CEO's to make unsound business practices for their own personal gain. SOMETHING SMELLS AWFULLY FISHY HERE.
PS: Osteen refuses to acknowledge Christ as the only way to salvation, has removed the cross so he doesn't offend anyone, and tailors his message to be "non-offensive." If Jesus Christ would have taken this approach he would have be accepted by the world instead of being crucified.
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Judge Deborah
12/18/2008 06:16 PM
Roper, thomas
12/18/2008 01:02 PMThomas Roper, the issues section is on Mike Huckabee's Vertical Politics Website. Here is the weblink.
Homepage
http://www.verticalpoliticsinstitute.com/
Issues Page
http://www.verticalpoliticsinstitute.com/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Issues.Home
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Judge Deborah
12/18/2008 06:11 PM
Mike Will Unite
12/18/2008 04:15 PMIf you don't like Joel & Victoria Osteen, does that mean you don't like Kenneth & Gloria Copeland, Rod & Joni Parsley, Dave & Joyce Meyer, Paul & Jan Crouch, Chuck & Gina Norris, Pat & Shirley Boone, Franklin Graham, Steven Baldwin, Max Lucado, Natalie Cole, John Tesh, C.C. Winans, Martha Munizzi, T.D. Jakes, Dr. Mark Chirona, Jentzen Franklin, Billy Graham, Jim Caviezel, Jack & Rexella Van Impe, Pat Robertson, Charles Stanley, D. James Kennedy, John Hagee, Marilyn Hickey, Paula White, Benny Hinn and James Betty Robison & Gov. Mike Huckabee either?
I love all of the TBN (Trinity Broadcast Network) pastors and met a lot of them when I worked for Mother Ellen Parsley at World Harvest Church.
If you're going to be offended by seeing Joel Osteen books, don't go into WalMart or almost every bookstore in America, because most everywhere I go or everywhere I work in lots of lawyer's offices all over downtown Dayton, I always find someone who loves Joel & Victoria Osteen!
You really should ask Gov. Mike & Janet Huckabee what they think of Joel & Victoria Osteen. I've never met anyone who shows as much love and hospitality as the Osteen family!
I Corinthians 13:1 says, "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."
If I was able to show half the love of the Osteen family, I would be a blessed woman!
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., Mike Will Unite
12/18/2008 04:15 PM
I am not a Joel Osteen fan and am offended to find his books and his wife's book in our local family Christian store.
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Goff, Steve
12/18/2008 04:13 PM
I would like to clarify one last issue: I am not for the bailout. It seems to me that our anger should be more focused on the government than the industries, because they are the ones promoting this mentaility.
They are the ones who forced the financial institutions to give loans to people who couldn't afford them.
They are the ones who put unrealistic regulations on the auto-industry.
It is the unions that jacked employee compensation up to a level that the auto industry couldn't afford.
If the CEO's in the finance industry are found guilty they should serve the maximum sentence and their ill-gotten compensation should be seized. Golden parachutes should be eliminated because they encourage the CEO's to sacrifice the stockholders' and company's interest in order to gain a personal profit with no consequences.
This is the downside to living in a society where all of the wealth is tied up in a few companies. It is not smart to have all of our 401k's tied up in a handful of companies--it is not smart to have our entire economy hinged on the finance industry--so what is the solution? (apart of course from resdistribution) We live in society of mass produced goods that are made for our convenience and we willingly accept the services.
The government is the main culprit here--they wrecked these industries and now they want you and me to foot the bill. What they are doing is unconstituional at the least. Did they ask for our permission? This is probably going to end with these few companies being merged together under government control, which means later in the future the problem will be excasberated--in short this is end of capitalism as we now it. The instituions need to fail, and we need to prepare for it and accept it.
Hopefully someone can me some insight that I don't have.
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Goff, Steve
12/18/2008 03:43 PM
Mundina O'Driscoll stated:
"I really appreciate the style of discussion that you all have been having here. Dignified, adult, and not nasty.
Thanks , Huck bloggers, for being civil."It is very important to this site and any other body or instituion that we have a healthy discussion with many different views and beliefs--otherwise we will have one point of view and the site will lose its independence of thought--this is the essence of free speech, and civility is the ultimate display of that essence in action.
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Goff, Steve
12/18/2008 03:27 PM
In regard to corporations, upward cash flow, and employee compensation. I don't want it to seem like I am defending the corporations, but if we look objectively at its stucture in our society, we will be confronted with some inherent truths.
First of all, we are quick to demonize the corporations for exploiting workers with low wages, and lump the stockholders into the same class, yet we fail to take a look at ourselves. I think we would be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't shop at Wal-Mart or some other corporate entity for groceries commmon houselhold goods, etc. If we choose to give our money to the very same entities that we abhor, strictly because of convenience and cost, are we not gaining from the same exploitation?
This is the equivalent of an environmentalist filling his car up with gas and driving to an auto emissions protest. If stockholders should sell their shares in protest, than we should stop shopping at the corporations and start shopping at the many mom and pop shops which sale much of the same merchandise for twice the cost.
Secondly, we are not making a distinction between the corporations in regard to employee compensation, instead we are lumping them all into one class. The auto and petrochemical idustries compensate their employees very well, in fact one of the reasons that the big three bailout failed was because the auto-industry unions would not decrease the workers salaries. We are talking $25-$40 and hour, with some being paid much more. Down here in the south, a plant worker at Exxon can usually start at somewhere around $17 an hour, that is more than more than most Bachelor's degree start out with in this area. So it seems that we are not making the distinction between the industrial industries which are high paying, and retail which is low paying.
Third, employees are compensated according to the level of their responsibility. As the responsibility increases, so does the salary. Their is a little flexibility for debate in regard to retail corporations compensation for low level employees with minimal responsibility, but the level of commensurate compensation can only go so high due to the correlating responsible and/or training--this means we can only pay them so much. If we seek to level out the pay between the less educated/trained and/or low level employees with that of everyone else, than what will be the point of getting a trade? Why go to college? If we can work the register at Wal Mart for seventeen an hour, why would I devote 2 to 4 years of my life and $20,000 of my money to learn a specialized trade or degree? We woud either see a decline in productivity which would result in a lagging culture with no innovation--or the pay rate would have to increase for those with higher responsibility in order to give incentive for taking the more qualified job. This would push compensation up to an unrealistic level.
Fourth, cash has to flow upward in order to sustain the business and compensate the one taking all of the risks--the busines owner. The profit of corporations and CEO's really comes down to a social justice issue, where many feel that the wealth that some have earned should be restributed, but I've already demostrated that if we take the CEO's salary and split it amongst thousands of workers that it doesn't amount to much in regard to compensation of employees. The CEO is in charge of 3 to 4,000 stores, and all of the profitability totalling to billions of dollars--thus he is paid according to his responsibility. If we, want to put caps on CEO salaries and eliminate golden parachutes, fine, but advocation of redistribution is the wrong approach. If we institute a cap, we need to make sure that we are compensating the CEO's according to their responsibility--which is very high.
Fouth, it seems to me that some of us are using Christianity to promote a redistributionist philosophy. Christ taught that we should sell our possesions and share with the poor, but he taught it on a PERSONAL level. When we advocate having our government force this on our society we have gone outside the teachings of Christ. This is a similary philosopy that gave birth to socialism and communision except it uses Christianity as opposed to atheism to achieve the same goal. We must remember that the biggest case of maldistribution in modern history was the system of communism which which sought to combat the uneven distribution of wealth and make everyone equal. I think we would be hard pressed to find Mike Huckabee advocating a resdistributionist philosophy. If I am not mistaking, Mike Huckabee want's to lower the tax rate on corporations by passing the fair tax, pulling us out of the 2nd highest tax rate in the world, and encouraging an expansion business in our country.
These are my thoughts. If you disagree, that is fine--I look forward to hearing your responses.
Respectfully.
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mxnwilson
12/18/2008 02:35 PM
Thomas Roper,
You are right on! As I read the last sentence of your post, I was reminded of Hebrews 12:5-9 that reveals to us that God chastises those he loves.
It is so comforting to realize however that he always disciplines his children out of love in the same manner that we discipline our children as he knows what is best for us.
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Doug
12/18/2008 01:02 PM
You know if you stop and think about it, 4 years is not a very long time. Before we know it 2012 will be upon us.
Is it too early to build a campaign for 2012? What can we do to keep Mike in the spotlight, I mean the good spotlight? I sure wish I had kept my Mike Huckabee sticker on my car. If I find another one, I'd put back on.
I was looking on both the Huckpac and the Mike Huckabee site and the "Issues" page is not longer there. I'd like to see it back.
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Judge Deborah
12/18/2008 11:55 AM
The Obama Saga just never ends. The latest twist is the next door neighbor to the address listed in the Obama birth announcement says that no black son was born to any white woman inthat home and that Obama's grandparents lived in Waikiki, not on Kalanianaole Highway.
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Doug
12/18/2008 10:16 AM
I'll say over and over again, we need to use Christ as an example in our lives. We must never forget that though He IS God, He was also a man. He as weary, He Hungered and He wept. He was templed in every area that we are. It's not that He was not able to Sin but that He was able, in the flesh, NOT to sin and He shows us how.
When we stop classifying sin, and many classify the sin of Homosexuality as one of the worse, but look at THE SIN, which is rejecting God and His Son Jesus, then we have the proper perspective of those around us. Some of us are like the Parisee Jesus told us about in Luke 18:9-14
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Let me finish this off by saying what my Pastor always says...."God loves you just as you are but He doesn't leave you that way". God loves all Sinners from those who lives an impecable life to those on death roll and all those between. What ever or who ever we are, when we come to Him, He takes us and starts making changes in our lives. Sometimes those changes are painful with discipline. God is a God of Love but also He's a God of Vengence. -
Judge Deborah
12/18/2008 06:50 AM
If anyone wants to say Merry Christmas or Happy Jesus Birthday to Gov. Huckabee and HuckPAC by making a donation, I'm just $171.83 away from my next goal.
Click on https://www.huckpac.com/?FuseAction=Contribute.Home&r=23732 and Enter Donor Code R23732
Merry Christmas Everyone!
"Everything is possible for him who believes." (Mark 9:23) ~ Jesus
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Judge Deborah
12/17/2008 09:38 PM
Gov. Huckabee: It would be fabulous if you could have Newt Gingrich and David Barton (of WallBuilders) on your HUCKABEE show to talk about how the Founding Fathers started our country as a moral country.
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mxnwilson
12/17/2008 06:26 PM
Thank you Ms Obvious for bringing to my memory that wonderful story of the woman at the well.
I have always been amazed with this story as this was the first time the gospel was presented to anyone. I find it assuring to know that he came to this woman where she was, and that is the way he wants us to come to him-- like the words of the beautiful hymn, "Just as I am without one plea, but that thy blood was shed for me.
I too am thankful that God has made the plan of salvation so simple that a child can understand, and we don't have to depend on our own understanding.
As I stated on the other blog, I feel like I've already been in church after reading Gov. Huckabee's and the other uplifting comments of others.
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Doug
12/17/2008 04:54 PM
I did not mean to start a war here. I was echoing the theme that Mike was using in his book. If we are to live together in hamony and safety then we have to govern ourselves by common rules. The best set of rules are provided in God's Word. Our founding father were familiar with and based our laws on God's Word. That included everything from capital punishment to aiding on another.
Obvious Lee hit on an important issue. In God's eyes there are no good sin or bad sin. We tend to rate sin that way. God cannot look on sin at all but he can look on us who are covered by the blood of Christ, not because we are Catholic, Methodist or any other mainline denomination. There is only one set of rules and that is in God's Word, the Holy Bible. When we start adding our own rules is when we get in trouble. When we are properly taught the Word of God then we learn how to govern our own lives and live together in harmony. But when we leave it up to a Godless Government then we have chaos and lawlessness because many of our government officials are NOT governed by God's Laws. -
Judge Deborah
12/17/2008 04:44 PM
Joel Osteen Maintains Homosexuality as Sin:
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080513/joel-osteen-maintains-homosexuality-as-sin.htm
Apparently Jim and Tammy Faye Baker (deceased)'s son Jay Bakker is trying to further the LGBT agenda by visiting and targeting certain churches.
Joel Osteen and Lakewood spokesman Donald Iloff met with the group and tried to minister to them the truth about what the Bible says about homosexuality.
In my daily Bible reading, I just came to Leviticus 20:13 in the Amplified Bible and it says: "If a man lies with a male as if he were a woman, both men have committed an offense (something perverse, unnatural, abhorrent, and detestable); they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
While we would never actually put a homosexual or lesbian to death in America, it is hard to listen to people argue that God is in favor of homosexuals. God loves the sinner, but I believe God will deliver those who come to him for help.
Thankfully, Pastor Joel Osteen is man enough to minister what the Bible says about homosexuality and to try to minister God's word and his love to those who come to Pastor Osteen and his church for help.
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Captain Obvious
12/17/2008 04:20 PM
Maxine! So good to visit with you! I have a few hours this afternoon filling in at the receptionist desk and a glorious opportunity to "HuckPAC".
This page seems to have turned to a discussion of various media ministries--none of which are familiar to me.
God has been faithful to protect me from following one teacher or another--it's so easy to focus on something other than Jesus Christ crucified, risen, and reigning in our lives. Listen to Paul, listen to Apollos, but rely upon God to bring about life and growth and all that allows the Holy Spirit to bear fruit in our lives.
Remember that poor sad outcast lady at the well who wanted to talk about where God should be worshipped? Jesus answered her on that subject, and then revealed to her that "I who am speaking to you am HE." How gracious He is--He spoke to her--and, wonder of wonders, He is willing to speak to you and me.
No matter if people make a great deal of fuss about my IQ--my own understanding is too feeble to support me if I try to lean upon it. He who is faithful has promised if we acknowledge Him in all our ways, He will direct our paths. He really means it. Wow!
I needed that reminder.
Merry Christmas!!!
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mxnwilson
12/17/2008 03:04 PM
Ms Obvious--Uh-huh, I caught you. Did you think I would not find you on this back page? lol.
Actually, I echo your sentiments, as many times we fail to remember the sin of pride is something with which we all struggle.
I am sure we remember the only ones that Jesus condemned when he was on earth were the scribes and pharisees who thought they were so much better than anyone else.
And yes, God forgive us for failing to look within and see our own faults and failures before we rush to the judgment of others.
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Vote for Truth
12/17/2008 02:47 PM
Deborah,
When you say that all of those ministers (except Jerimiah Wright) are Christians, I may have a problem with that. Not everybody who knows about Jesus Christ is a Christian. A Christian is somebody who has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior. I don't pretend to know if those ministers have done that, but just like with us non-preachers, we have to look at their fruits and what they say when they preach. There have been many preacher on TV who preached, but we found out later they were living another life. Yes, we are all sinners, but God expects a higher standard from preachers.I am NOT poking fun of Joel Osteen...I care about the people on HuckPac and I wanted to warn you and others about following a false preacher. BTW, Charles Stanley preaches from the whole gospel, not just fire and brimstone, but he isn't afraid to tell it like it is. Yes, he was divorced, but not because he wanted it. I'm sure God's grace has covered him and forgave him. If you listen to him every week, he is an excellent preacher and we all can learn more about Jesus Christ from him.
If Joel doesn't preach about Jesus Christ in his sermons, what is the point? It isn't about making us feel good, it's about leading us to Jesus Christ!!! I wanted to tell you that I have heard many, many sermons by Joel, not because I wanted to or enjoyed them, but because my agnostic son told his Dad that he was watching Joel, and I wanted to hear what was being preached to him. That's why I know a lot about what Joel preaches.
Joel Osteen is a "Motivational Speaker", period. Deborah, pay attention to how he speaks about being successful or happy in life. He almost always gives examples of what the people can do to help themselves. He doesn't mention Jesus is the one who gives ALL the good things in life that we get. He gives the credit to man. Think about this...who is the ONE who gives man a brain to get the education to be successful, who gives us opportunities in life to make money........it's God or Jesus!!! It's not an accident when we get a job, God is always there helping us. Joel never gives credit to Jesus...it's what we do on our own. THIS IS NOT PART OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!!! It is not following Jesus Christ, but thinking we are the ones who are smart enough or got our own opportunities. Is is bad enough when we hear people, non-Christians, say these things, but to hear a preacher of thousands expound on these things every week, it is false teaching!!! That's not being Christian. Just because you knew him when he grew up, doesn't make him a Christian or a good preacher. Joel does mention God, but, Deborah, many religions mention God. It's Jesus Christ that makes a person a Christian.
I just ask, Deborah, that you listen to him each week with the things I have mentioned in mind. I think you will find what I have said is true.
I don't plan on talking about this any more because I have said all I want to say about Joel Osteen.
